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X 2008-5-1 11:25 PM

<P>I think China will walk a different democratic path as western countries. We should be able to see it before we die.</P>
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<P>[quote]原帖由 <I>andrew</I> 于 2008-5-1 11:18 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=132231&amp;ptid=10879" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> i totally agree with you.&nbsp; ccp contributed to china alot.&nbsp; my point is that, single-party is not good for both ccp and china.right now the i guess the concensus is that stability is paramoun ... [/quote]</P>

imac 2008-5-1 11:55 PM

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<P>I completely agree that single-party monoply won't be able to&nbsp;manage a long last and fast developing China. The&nbsp;key point&nbsp;is: we have to seek a new way out instead of multi-party system if this is what implied. </P>
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<P>Democracy, by its precise definition, is just as bad as the Dictatorship. Moreover, direct election democracy&nbsp;is just a&nbsp;form of dictatorship instead of democracy because&nbsp;the public&nbsp;can only choose one of the elite few "representers" and their "policy packages".&nbsp;I really think this way is a disaster and only leads for world wars, not sustainable.&nbsp;</P>
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<P>IMHO, the things China needs in immediate urgency would be: political transparency, procedure regulations and public involvements. For the first and second issue, the central government and party leaders are in deep conflicts with the local government and party cadres. Things are moving, but will&nbsp;take costs. The third is not showing up yet. Although the laws are there, still very very few people went to the 人大 or 政协 to audit the topic discussions. People can not lay there and hope one day the opinions would be represented. This might take 10 or more years for the public common knowledge to spread. None of the above urgent items has&nbsp;business to do&nbsp;with democracy. </P>
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<P>btw&gt; I would recommend the following video, to see how the former Singapore UN ambassador looks&nbsp;China and the politics.</P>
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<P><A href="http://www.wforum.com/wmf/posts/1115832398.html">http://www.wforum.com/wmf/posts/1115832398.html</A></P>
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<P>[quote]原帖由 <I>andrew</I> 于 2008-5-1 11:18 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=132231&amp;ptid=10879" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> i totally agree with you.&nbsp; ccp contributed to china alot.&nbsp; my point is that, single-party is not good for both ccp and china.right now the i guess the concensus is that stability is paramoun ... [/quote]</P>

marthanovera 2008-5-2 01:54 AM

Personally I favor a power-over political system instead of a disordered bottom up "democracy "
I discuzed a lot with my classmates about the word power. It's a shame many of them only see this word very negatively or simply equate it to oppression.

"too simple, sometimes naive" heh

I think Singapore serves an example of such a good "dictatorship" in a way, but it's way too small in size for China to draw a lot of experience from...

Obviously,  the quality of the Chinese population need to get on a high level through education, the "variance" of the population quality is too large, but  speaking of education, there is just such a significant shortage of money and resource...

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marthanovera 2008-5-2 05:26 AM

geez.....just found out i posted the same vid in a new thread as imac did above....LOL

X 2008-5-2 11:41 AM

<P>imac说的是。其实人大和政协的设置是很好的,强调了广泛的代表性(行业,阶层)。但是现在人大和政协的作用还不够大。还有就是随着社会的发展,现在媒体越来越向着利益集团的代言工具发展。这个问题也是不好解决。没有一个相对公平公开的言论环境。行政公开,透明也会有很大困难。</P>
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<P>[quote]原帖由 <I>imac</I> 于 2008-5-1 11:55 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=132237&amp;ptid=10879" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> &nbsp; I completely agree that single-party monoply won't be able to&nbsp;manage a long last and fast developing China. The&nbsp;key point&nbsp;is: we have to seek a new way out instead of multi-part ... [/quote]</P>

lyatum 2008-5-5 02:16 PM

This happened to a lot of people. <br><br>I understand what happened to your family probably was one of the worst cases, and CCP is the one to take the strike. On the other hand though, I don't see the 5/4 rally is up for CCP, and I personally believe it's for the sake of greater good, - justice, Olympics... - and I'M SURE, that a lot of people here also hope for more freedom and human rights in China, today and tomorrow.<br><br>[quote]原帖由 <i>zuri</i> 于 2008-5-1 03:11 PM 发表 <a href="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=132169&amp;ptid=10879" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/images/common/back.gif" alt="" border="0"></a>
among my relatives, lots of them were persecuted by CCP and four of them died.in 1950's CCP took away my maturnal grandfather's clinic and my paternal grandfather's three factories.ng 1970's, CCP  ... [/quote]
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