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together 发表于 2008-8-22 12:32 PM

IOC发话啦no proof China cheated

<P><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Associated Press writer John Leicester and AP Sports Writer Stephen Wilson contributed to this report.</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">AP的新闻比较靠谱。</FONT><BR></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>IOC: Despite questions, no proof China cheated </FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Verdana>BEIJING - Despite persistent questions about the ages of several members of the Chinese women's gymnastics team that won the gold medal, <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">the International Olympic Committee said Friday there is still no proof anyone cheated and believes the controversy will be "put to rest." </FONT></FONT></P><FONT face=Verdana>
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<P>The IOC asked the International Gymnastics Federation to investigate "what have been a number of questions and apparent discrepancies," spokeswoman Giselle Davies said. But all of the information the Chinese gymnastics federation has presented so far supports its insistence that its athletes were old enough to compete.</P>
<P><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"We believe the matter will be put to rest and there's no question ... on the eligibility," Davies said. "The information we have received seems satisfactory in terms of the correct documentation — including birth certificates."</FONT></P>
<P>If the federation had found evidence that the gymnasts were underage, it could have affected four of China's medals. In addition to the team gold and He Kexin's gold on bars, Yang Yilin won bronze medals in the all-around and uneven bars.</P>
<P>Chinese coach Lu Shanzhen told The Associated Press they gave the FIG new documents on Thursday to try to remove any doubts about He's age, <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">including an old passport, residency card and her current ID card.</FONT></P>
<P>Lu said all the documents were issued by various departments of the Chinese government, and that he had nothing more to put forth as evidence.</P>
<P>"If these valid documents are not enough to clarify this problem, then what will you believe?" an indignant Lu said.</P>
<P>The FIG has said repeatedly that a passport is the "accepted proof of a gymnast's eligibility," and that China's gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls' passports and deemed them valid before the games began.</P>
<P>Andre Gueisbuhler, secretary general of the FIG, said the federation would release a statement later Friday.</P>
<P>"For the time being, there is nothing I can add," Gueisbuhler said.</P>
<P>A gymnast must be 16 in an Olympic year to compete at the games. But questions about the ages of at least three of the athletes have persisted. Online records and media reports suggest three Chinese gymnasts — He, Yang and Jiang Yuyuan — might be as young as 14.</P>
<P>The IOC said previously that it had verified the passports of all athletes competing at the games.</P>
<P>"We are not in a position to say 'It's good, it's not good.' It's a government document," FIG president Bruno Grandi said earlier this week in an interview with the AP.</P>
<P>The IOC did not give details on what new information prompted it to act now, three days after the gymnastics competition ended.</P>
<P>"With some questions still remaining, we asked the federation to take a closer look," Davies said.</P>
<P>The Chinese women won six medals, including the team gold and He's gold on uneven bars. Media reports include a Nov. 3 story by the Chinese government's news agency, Xinhua, that suggest He is only 14. Asked earlier this week about her age again after winning the uneven bars title, beating American Nastia Liukin in a tiebreak, she said:</P>
<P>"I was born in 1992, and I'm 16 years old now," He said. "The FIG has proved that. If I'm under 16, I couldn't have been competing here."</P>
<P>Earlier this month, the AP found registration lists previously posted on the Web site of the General Administration of Sport of China that showed both He and Yang were too young to compete. He was born Jan. 1, 1994, according to the 2005, 2006 and 2007 registration lists. Yang was born Aug. 26, 1993, according to the 2004, 2005 and 2006 registration lists. In the 2007 registration list, however, her birthday has changed to Aug. 26, 1992. </P>
<P><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff99">"We played fair at this Olympic Games," Liukin's father and coach, Valeri, said after they arrived back in the United States. "... If somebody cheated, shame on them." <IMG title=dvubb alt="" src="http://www.huaren.us/images/emot/em86.gif" onload=imgresize(this); align=middle border=0></FONT></P>
<P>Added Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics: "USA Gymnastics has always believed this issue needed to be addressed by the FIG and IOC. An investigation would help bring closure to the issue and remove any cloud of speculation from this competition." </P>
<P>Age falsification has been a problem in gymnastics since the 1980s after the minimum age was raised from 14 to 15 to protect young athletes from serious injuries. The minimum age was raised to its current 16 in 1997. Younger gymnasts are considered to have an advantage because they are more flexible, and are likely to have an easier time doing the tough skills the sport requires. They also aren't as likely to have a history of injuries or fear of failure. </P>
<P>North Korea was barred from the 1993 world championships after FIG officials discovered Kim Gwang Suk, the gold medalist on uneven bars in 1991, was listed as 15 for three years in a row. Romania admitted in 2002 that several gymnasts' ages had been falsified, including Olympic medalists Gina Gogean and Alexandra Marinescu. </P>
<P>Even China's own Yang Yun, a double bronze medalist in Sydney, said during an interview aired on state broadcaster China Central Television that she was 14 in 2000. "It's not just me. The parents of our athletes are all very indignant," Lu said. "They have faced groundless suspicion. Why aren't they believed? Why are their children suspected? Their parents are very angry." </P></FONT>

together 发表于 2008-8-22 12:32 PM

柳金等东欧老现在该shut up了。。。。::numa

X 发表于 2008-8-22 12:52 PM

怎么现在他们不说无罪推定了。你没有证据证明我作假,那我就是真。你说我是假,拿可靠证据来。

imac 发表于 2008-8-22 12:57 PM

昨天晚上熬夜看4x100m的时候暴不爽,时不时nbc插个新闻出来说什么体操年龄造假,一群loser。::fennu ::fennu

together 发表于 2008-8-22 01:06 PM

可悲的是美国人真的相信他们的媒体,而且他们相信他们相信的东西是真的,还假慈悲的认为偶们中国人都被偶们的媒体欺骗了。。。

X 发表于 2008-8-22 02:26 PM

跟当年大清国民差不多了。

X 发表于 2008-8-22 02:29 PM

中国的新闻媒体太软了,这时我们就应该爆炒Phelps可能吃药的事情。管它呢,说了先。

X 发表于 2008-8-22 02:31 PM

也找一两个所谓的兴奋剂专家来说一通。说没吃药不可能长成那样子,再说现在还有很多药查不出来。

together 发表于 2008-8-22 02:52 PM

中国媒体还是很崇洋的,不到万不得已才不会说人家坏话呢。所以偶们这种两边媒体的嘴脸都看到的人才会如此不爽。

Sherry 发表于 2008-8-22 04:07 PM

<P>咱们的媒体也忒不争气了,把柳金分, 柳金绞,青蛙跳的照片都给柳金他爸贴脑门子上,看他还好不好意思叫嚣。</P>
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<P>[quote]原帖由 <I>together</I> 于 2008-8-22 03:52 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=147153&amp;ptid=12359" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 中国媒体还是很崇洋的,不到万不得已才不会说人家坏话呢。所以偶们这种两边媒体的嘴脸都看到的人才会如此不爽。 [/quote]</P>

together 发表于 2008-8-22 04:51 PM

<P>就是就是。</P>
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<P>好笑的是NBC,一边放柳金分腿青蛙跳的画面一边说how perfect.... 太小看美国人民的智商了,哈哈~</P>
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<P>[quote]原帖由 <I>Sherry</I> 于 2008-8-22 05:07 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=147164&amp;ptid=12359" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 咱们的媒体也忒不争气了,把柳金分, 柳金绞,青蛙跳的照片都给柳金他爸贴脑门子上,看他还好不好意思叫嚣。 &nbsp; [/quote]</P>

X 发表于 2008-8-22 05:39 PM

<P>没办法,美国人民的智商是不高</P>
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<P>[quote]原帖由 <I>together</I> 于 2008-8-22 05:51 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=147171&amp;ptid=12359" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.umasscssa.org/forum/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 就是就是。 &nbsp; 好笑的是NBC,一边放柳金分腿青蛙跳的画面一边说how perfect.... 太小看美国人民的智商了,哈哈~ &nbsp; [/quote]</P>

BlueBlack 发表于 2008-8-22 06:43 PM

<P>[quote]原帖由 <I>together</I> 于 2008-8-22 05:51 PM 发表 <A href="http://umasscssa.org/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=147171&amp;ptid=12359" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://umasscssa.org/forum/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 就是就是。 &nbsp; 好笑的是NBC,一边放柳金分腿青蛙跳的画面一边说how perfect.... 太小看美国人民的智商了,哈哈~ &nbsp; [/quote]</P>
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<P>其实说不定是我们高估了美国人民的智商。。。</P>

together 发表于 2008-8-22 07:06 PM

haha~

woody 发表于 2008-8-22 10:30 PM

[quote]http://2008.ifeng.com/civilians/200808/0822_4365_740062_3.shtml

NBC新闻记者:我想问国际奥委会是不是调查,有越来越多的证据显示中国的体操运动员
是年龄不足的,而且不具备比赛的资格。我想向中方提一个问题。中国有关部门就有关
中国政府造假证件一事,中国运动员能够比赛的质证,有没有回应?

Giselle DAVIES:不能视为正式的调查,我们已经要求体操联合会来搞清楚就这个问题上
出现的一些不一致的情况,中国体操联合会在这方面是非常支持的,而且就这个事情做
了澄清。我们在奥运会开始之初就讨论这个问题,我们看到有关护照信息的时候讨论这
个问题。还有一些没有得到答案的问题,要求中国体操联合会给我们做出回答,今天上
午就收到新的信息,Christophe Dubi希望就这个问题做一些补充。

Christophe Dubi:我们可以补充一下,联合会在春天已经调查了这个事情,而且做了一
些公开的反映,尤其在美国宣布了一些事情。在奥运会开始之前已经讲了,我们和这个
国家协会在比赛之前也接触了,而且也提出一些问题。Giselle DAVIES刚才说了,国际
联合会再次请求中国的体操协会提出有关的证明。

王伟:刚才Christophe Dubi已经回答了这个问题,此前的信息我也是从国际单项体操联
合会和中国奥委会得到的,中国奥委会已经提供了有关运动员的信息和证据。而且这些
情况也得到了澄清。这些运动员的参赛资格均经过了国际单项体联和奥组委报名和注册
部门的严格审查,如果审查结果有问题的话,他们是不会参加比赛的。谢谢!
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这三段话真是可以成为新闻学的经典案例了,互相推,各说各,中外太极高手。

IOC的官员都很聪明,他们只能表示做判断的基础来源于中国政府提供的护照信息,因为护照是有法律效力的。如果直接质疑中国政府作假,他们的立场就很尴尬了,这是媒体的事情,不是IOC的义务。

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