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大家不要装vista阿

刚收到系里的email
对vista评价非常差
很多厂商现在不支持 并且never支持
也被美国标准协会批了
偶的新电脑就是预装的vista
系里倒是给了IP能上网
但也警告偶说要是我的系统导致网络故障
就我把我踢出去:cry:
大家还是不要装vista了

原文如下
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Dear Colleagues,

As you are aware from our previous email, there are numerous problems
with the new Microsoft Vista Operating system. At this point in time,
our IT support team is unable to support the Vista operating system.

We always encourage you to discuss your computer purchases with our IT
team prior to placing the order. Effective immediately, I am asking the
office staff of both departments to help ensure that no further systems
are ordered with the Vista operating system (whether through grants,
POs, etc.). We suggest that all new systems that would otherwise come
with Vista be reinstalled with Windows XP or purchased without an
operating system (as we can install XP free on campus). Again, our IT
staff is very willing to assist.

When, in consultation with the user, the IT group determines that a
particular system has no viable alternative to Vista, they will provide
a network connection for that system with the understanding that if the
system is found to be causing problems on the network (including
scanning other systems) we will pull the network connection and it'll be
the owner's responsibility to fix the problem on their own or through
some other entity that supports Vista. [This includes personal systems
that you may use here on campus.] If the problem is not fixable, it will
not be allowed back on our network. [It is our current policy to pull
the network connection from any computer that is causing network
problems. The problem with Vista systems is that our support team will
not be able to help you resolve issues resulting from the use of the
Vista operating system.]

I asked Suzanne to put together a brief list of why we are being so
adamant about avoiding the use of Vista at this point in time. Please
see the list below.

I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Again, our networks are
only as secure as the systems we put on it. Your continued diligence has
helped us avoid some of the most recent virus and other problems that
have effected other areas of the campus. We will continue our part to
ensure the network's stability and security. Please let me know if you
have any specific concerns.

- Marv

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Here's a quick list of why:

1) Windows Update is mandatory in Vista, leaving no defense against
patches that break other stuff. Microsoft has a long history of
releasing patches that break third-party software or even render the
entire system unusable.

2) In order to keep users from illegally sharing "premium content" like
music or movies, if Microsoft determines that some device or software
can potentially be used to share such content they will cripple that
hardware/software, disabling those devices worldwide via Windows Update
until the vendor provides an updated driver to Microsoft's
specifications. If it's an older device for which the vendor isn't
interested in rewriting their drivers (and in the fast-moving hardware
market most devices enter legacy status within a year or two of their
replacement models becoming available), all devices of that type
worldwide become permanently disabled.

3) Most existing software is not compatible with Vista. You will have to
purchase upgrades to almost all the software you run and many programs
will never be upgraded to Vista. Even many current printers don't have
Vista drivers, and many never will. Developing Vista drivers and getting
them approved by Microsoft is just too expensive.

4) If you change two or more pieces of hardware in the system, Vista
assumes you are up to something and possibly trying to pirate it onto
another system and it will self-invalidate its license, causing you to
have to purchase a whole new Vista license.

5) Vista Activation, should it fail or be aborted, phones home to
Microsoft with enough details to identify your computer and possibly
your location

6) Vista has less functionality than XP at a much higher cost.


A note:
Upgrading to Windows Vista has been banned by the U.S. Department of
Transportation (DOT), the National Institute of Standards and Technology
(NIST), the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), technology giants
Texas Instruments & IBM, all California schools, and other corporations
and government agencies. Significant portions of Europe are moving to
Mac and Linux.

-Suzanne

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Here is the original email sent out in January:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Chem-staff] [Chem-all] FYI: Windows Vista
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:22:01 -0500
From: Suzanne Palmer <[email]suzanne@chem.umass.edu[/email]>
To: [email]chem-all@chem.umass.edu[/email], [email]bmb-all@biochem.umass.edu[/email]

As the new year begins and everyone starts thinking about getting new
computers and/or upgrading their current ones, we'd like to caution
folks that there are, at this time, significant problems with Windows
Vista and it is not within the capacity of the IT department to support
it at this time.

If you are considering a new PC purchase, we strongly recommend that you
purchase it with Windows XP. If you have reasons you feel you must
upgrade to Vista, please consult with the IT group prior to making that
decision.

For articles on some of the issues with Vista, please see:
[url]http://security.itworld.com/4940/061227vistaadopt/page_1.html[/url]
[url]http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[/url]

-Suzanne

[[i] 本帖最后由 牧牧 于 2007-4-6 08:08 PM 编辑 [/i]]

忒狠了,MS要搞死自己啊?

个人感觉vista的界面一点都不漂亮
而且耗内存太多
我的机器装XP再运行一堆美化软件搞得跟mac差不多
也只占了vista一半的内存

照例要等到 sp2 才稳定下来

当年得xp，我只要256M内存，跑得挺欢。
等出了sp2，我内存512，还是跑着累，最后笔记本终于一命呜呼。

估计vista sp2需要supercomputer来跑
标志着微软进入大型机市场的信心和决心

It's OK if you have enough memory.

It is better than XP definitely

vista is trouble连字都显示不清楚都敢发布出来

It's OK if you have enough memory.

It is better than XP definitely

Typical M$ ah... 筒子们现在Mac能搞到的d版东东多么？要是能满足日常需求，额下一台就投奔Mac去。。

[quote]原帖由 [i]Muggle[/i] 于 2007-4-7 12:47 AM 发表
Typical M$ ah... 筒子们现在Mac能搞到的d版东东多么？要是能满足日常需求，额下一台就投奔Mac去。。 [/quote]
还行吧
是在没有就dual boot到windows呗

我用了1个月vista拉

感觉不错啊，除了一些盗版软件无法安装

其他的都不错啊，而且软件支持也很多，没看出来很多厂商抵制阿

labmate在用，很满意的样子。
他是2g内存，显卡也不错

他的确需要升级一些软件，
我觉得就是系里面为了稳定性而牺牲vista，等越来越多机器预装vista，他们就只能support了

[quote]原帖由 [i]chao[/i] 于 2007-4-7 09:30 AM 发表
忒狠了,MS要搞死自己啊?

个人感觉vista的界面一点都不漂亮
而且耗内存太多
我的机器装XP再运行一堆美化软件搞得跟mac差不多
也只占了vista一半的内存 [/quote]


奇怪，我的laptop 1g内存跑 MAC OS 10.4.8，开机以后很快就只有几十兆free了，但用起来还是正常。

[quote]原帖由 [i]aeolus[/i] 于 2007-4-7 10:05 AM 发表
当年得xp，我只要256M内存，跑得挺欢。
等出了sp2，我内存512，还是跑着累，最后笔记本终于一命呜呼。

估计vista sp2需要supercomputer来跑
标志着微软进入大型机市场的信心和决心 [/quote]

但winxp一直到了 sp2 出来以后才正式稳定下来不蓝屏了，平时打打游戏之类的，比2003server还稳定。

现在的内存忽然便宜了很多，估计是厂商以为很多人转 vista 会多买，怎料大家都在观望。

我是觉得 xp 己经很好了，没有必要也不会转。

是微软自己改了tcp stack，window size策略有改变
当然有可能造成网络问题

而且并发tcp restrictiion到了256还是无上限，如果你用p2p又恰好是一个好seed
你附近的网络就歇菜了

对于学校而言，要跑flow control的东西，一台机器出来三位数的flow，搞上个50台，
他们那些monitoring的软件统统得歇菜

说vista影响网络是有一定道理的，说什么厂商never支持这就是一群OSS/FS扇子在
yy和造谣了。微软背后就是美国政府，主流厂商谁不跟谁死，这又不是什么秘密。

[quote]原帖由 [i]sleeplesspig[/i] 于 2007-4-7 12:09 AM 发表
labmate在用，很满意的样子。
他是2g内存，显卡也不错

他的确需要升级一些软件，
我觉得就是系里面为了稳定性而牺牲vista，等越来越多机器预装vista，他们就只能support了 [/quote]

[quote]原帖由 [i]woody[/i] 于 2007-4-7 02:41 AM 发表



奇怪，我的laptop 1g内存跑 MAC OS 10.4.8，开机以后很快就只有几十兆free了，但用起来还是正常。 [/quote]

没用过linux吧。。

非win的os都这样，内存管理机制不一样，没事

我已经装了 Vista, so I know this email forwarded is just another hoax

[b]1) Windows Update is mandatory in Vista, leaving no defense against
patches that break other stuff[/b]
Like updates currently in Windows XP, you can have the option not to install the updates.  It is not mandatory, but by the default it downloads and installs.  As a power user you can change such setting.  I have numerous friends who ignored the updates and got loads of issues later on.  Such auto installation would have saved them.


[b]2) In order to keep users from illegally sharing "premium content" like
music or movies[/b]
This is part of DRM (Digital Rights Management).  It is not governed by Microsoft but the content owner itself.  This would be the same across other platforms including Apple's iTune.  It is not Microsoft throwing this crap at you, but RIAA and MPAA.


[b]3) Most existing software is not compatible with Vista. You will have to
purchase upgrades to almost all the software you run and many programs[/b]
Almost all of the programs I have bought run reasonably well in Vista.  There are, however, missing drivers such as my Laser Printer, that's just manufacturer's lagging behind.  Do you notice the author of this email has no facts to back his claims?

[b]4) If you change two or more pieces of hardware in the system, Vista
assumes you are up to something and possibly trying to pirate it onto
another system and it will self-invalidate its license[/b]
This happens with XP as well.  You can always call Microsoft about this problem.  It is a headache. But hey, tell all your friends stop pirating software, this would save all of our honest buyers a lot of hassle.



[b]5) Vista Activation, should it fail or be aborted, phones home to
Microsoft with enough details to identify your computer and possibly[/b]
This is urban legend.


I would suggest everyone wait for another 2 to 3 months before upgrading your day-to-day computer to Vista, by then, most programs and drivers would have patches that allow the them work flawlessly in Vista.  As far as for laptop users, I notice the battery life on Vista is noticeably shorter with its default setting, and experience with 2GB of RAM is smoother.

I love vista. Of course, to show my love for this pretty baby, i added an additional 1 G memory and it cost me 80 bucks .