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原帖由 Muggle 于 2008-4-14 05:42 PM 发表 
这个姑娘看起来还是蛮有想法的。偶们一腔热血的同时，也得有个openmind听一听这些声音。毕竟不能这么永远剑拔弩张下去，最终还是要talk，才能解决问题。
好吧，我做了talk的牺牲品, 完全贡献给大家^^
其中“mien"讲的是她的种族,在中国被归为瑶族,她是从越南到美国的, 被称为mien American
我们就像是中共和达赖的对话,互相听不懂-.-
希望大家吸取经验教训...
Me:
Hi
Despite all your name calls of other people..I
still understand your care about China.There is an ooold idiom in
Chinese saying “the ugliness of a family should not be exposed" I think
it's something like "a skeleton in the cupboard" in English. I think
that mentality has grown into many Chinese including me--too
presumptuous to comment for all maybe. It does hurt feelings to think
about all the things at first, and actually we folks have been
talking/criticizing no less of what's happening domestically.
Like
what I said, P.R.C is a country just too young, and there are so many
challenges it needs to face and solve instead of blocking--I'm the one
that always says "fuck CCTV" all the time
People always have egos, you, me and everybody, right? Most time I just laugh off others' comments
It
does take time to improve and change things, but you gotta believe that
things are being changed by many Chinese. But definitely this year
would be a very good chance to alarm China and Chinese on a lot of
things really.
A country is a country, it's got everything
defined from the beginning. it's the place that most people grew up in
and familiar with. I really think it's more important to focus on what
we have got and what we can do to improve things rather than going
backwards to make up for the historical mistakes or something. It just
costs way too much that nobody-- the government, the people--wouldn't
bear emotionally/ materialistically.
To me, I would take my
camera if I go to Tibet next time, maybe calling up a couple of my
friends doing different angles. That's what I can do for next I think.
For now, I've always been very right-winged among my folks and I think
it's good to have different voice heard just like what they are doing
to have their voice heard by people around the world. As long as there
is different voice from both sides, I think it's good.
I've been reading different articles about Tibet recently, and it really takes time and many nights
I really need give myself a break on this, and I promise I'll come back to you later.
Her:
thank you your opinion. but i didnt call those people names for their
opinion on the tibet issue. they were of irelevent things and most
relating to me. esp. the mien one which you just found out when i
mentioned it. the yao in china do not call themselves yao. because all
of them are culturally different. the "yao" who are mien call
themselves mien. it was only after a group of them left china that they
made it known they are MIEN not YAO but the chinese govt were adament
about calling them and other groups yao to "simplified things" which
further confused people.
the issue concerning tibet -- the
tibetans have their own writing system, their own language, their own
culture, and most importantly had their own government -- all these
things make up a country is that not true?
so what makes you think that tibet was never an independent country?
youve
never been to tibet and i doubt you have any friends in tibet who are
tibetans. if you can shoot a documentary about tibetans in tibet and
not edit it i will reimburse you.
you acknowledge that there
are injustice everywhere but said you havent considered the possibility
of injustice in tibet? why is that? did you not see the riot video? and
why do people protest? because they want to be heard. how can we
respect eachother if you are't even listening to the tibetans cry and
are excusing it as an attempt to split china.
if china had
taken good care of the tibetan people there would be no protest. and
yes the chinese govt gives money to the minority and gives them "good
education" but it's not worth losing ones culture. the tibetan culture
cannot be maintained if there are more hans moving into tibet -- the
capital of lhasa the most holly place has become one of the biggest
tourist attraction -- children begging for change and prostitutes
roaming the streets. and since china is being compared to the us so
often -- look each state has a flag of it's own but we all call
ourselves americans. you can't force people to respect you by giving
them money to quiet them.
i dont love china for what it's doing to my people.
because
my language is no longer spoken in china with it comes to the youth.
only the older people can speak it and still they have already
incorporated mandarin into our language.
that's my stand. you
are the blind one here. all i asked is that you consider the
possibility of some injustice in tibet to the tibetan people and yet
you refused. and i still dont know why. because i have aknowledge that
there is also injustice here in america. and i acknowledge that i
understand why china hasnt allowed western media into tibet. and i have
been talking to you for 3 days now. it's been awbile since you been to
tibet so maybe things have changed. but you're still stubborn about any
wrong doing in tibet. that's a shame.
even my chinese friends
who love their country and support the olympics have acknowledge that
yes there are more hans moving into tibet and that may be an issue. but
you refused to believe anything i say. how can i believe anything you
say?
though it is nice to know people who have strong opinions
and do not always agree with you. i cannot continue this conversation
with you anymore. i would rather much talk to my other chinese friends
and figure out a solution instead of fighting back and forth like this.
大家冷静点
看看我们的行动有没有reflectivity
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